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Video Architect Joined: 10 Jul 2004 Posts: 1093

hi folks-

b2's online now, you can download it here:

http://www.vidvox.com/download/GridPro_CocoaUB_b2.zip

aaaaand you can peruse a list of the changes here:

http://www.vidvox.com/version/versionInfo.php?action=versionDetails&version=b1

the quartz composer support is arguably the neatest part of this update. the amount of work necessary to make a patch interactive in gridpro is minimal: within quartz composer, you have to make an "input splitter" object everywhere you want gridpro to have a slider for a parameter. in the 'settings' pane of QC's inspector, specify that the input splitter is of type "Number", and set a min and a max range. connect the input splitter to a variable in the quartz composer doc, and save it. that's all there is to it. when you load the clip in the grid, there will be a slider for each of the input splitters you created.

while it's technically possible to just publish an input of an object by right-clicking on the parameter, this doesn't really work- the slider doesn't know what range of values the parameter is expecting, which is why you should just make a whole mess of input splitters. there may actually be something more appropriate than an input splitter (drE, care to weigh in?), but i'm no qc expert. i am, however, completely open to suggestions.

b2 only supports number-type input splitters, but we'll add support for others as time progresses (this will be interesting- you could put together a patch that lets you choose different control schemes; controlling the speed of something vs. controlling it's position manually, for example). i've include a bastardized version of the "Cells.qtz" sample composition, as well as an extremely simple live input patch.

beyond support for more input types and suggestions that will probably crop up during the dev process, we've got one more important improvement for QC planned: the ability to make your own interface in Interface Builder, and connect your interface to a custom quartz composer patch, and then load the whole shebang into gridpro as a source type. this would let you create a custom frontend for your custom backend, and use gridpro as a means of mixing/compositing it with other layers. this will probably happen a bit later in the development process, as we start making it easier to create your own fx/sources/other stuff.

peace
: : ray

ok the qc features officially sound like the bomb..

yes input splitters is exactly what you should use. They don't have any performance impact and make your composition easier to understand.

it's good qc practise to set type (number, string etc) and name all your splitters.

have you tested at all if it would be possible for a qc patch to have a published image input and get fed either the result of a layer or a recieve from a movie tap?

okay, question. if I push the button full screen, nothing is happening Confused

don't get it (b1 was no prob on this imac g5)
cheers RR

Hi,
drag the 'Main Output' window to the second screen , then press 'Fullscreen'
Wink

l1

i like the magnetic like , windows Smile

forgot to mention this in the b1 thread, but even when dragging to the second window all clicking fullscreen box does is go to blackscreen, won't play fullscreen at all...

hmmm , tell me if im barking up the wrong tree....have you loaded a movie and clicked on it ?

as thats what fullscreen does makes the screen black...
click on movie ?

oh yeah, tried all different combinations, load movie then try fullscreen, go fullscreen select movie, try from second screen, first screen... just doesn't work...

*Last edited by l1nkdna on Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:33 pm; edited 1 time in total*

imac g5 2ghz slim white thing >???
radeon 9600 128mb ?

screen spanned so you have to screens

l1 Smile

if yes to the above all id suggest is either deleteing the folder of gp beta and putting a new one in place ,i had a spurious problem which only gave back whatever it was id lost, by deleting and starting again, if not that, then re-do the ati displays .. and screen span ??
l1
all i can suggest sorry

the qc comp supports works as advertised here Smile

I just added some sliders to some of my comps and imported them, works just great.

colour well controls, booleans and string inputs please!

also, a qc comp should still have speed control. qc comps play back with a timebase same as any other quicktime, they can be scratched back and off just the same.

also on qc support, I'd like for grid pro to provide a set of additional information to compositions that we can access within the composition. like the midi clock or the results of your own audio analysis (which is better than the qc ones).

how this would work is there would be a set of pre defined named inputs that all compositions would run... eg once you get your clock worked out you could provide "bpm, beat time" parameters to a composition. we'd access these through published inputs but these inputs would get the results of your calculations instead of a slider.

the ivisualise guy has done something very similar here:
http://web.mac.com/vogelbusch/iWeb/Site/iVisualize.html
compositions get album art etc....

of course if the composition didn't have those published inputs it would just ignore them.... I already tested this and it works fine if you bind a parameter to something that is not a published input it doesn't seem to have any impact on performance.

please change the behaviour of making the dock inacessable when grid pro is running or at least make it a preference. now that its a cocoa app it doesn't need to grab control of the whole machine to get good performance.
I have run photoshop and edited new graphics while my own cocoa patch is still running and it keeps rendering just fine.

is the media inspector window supposed to do anything yet? it doesn't seem to?

and is there any way in this beta of getting loops from more than one folder in the same grid? I want to add a whole mess in together but they end up in different folders in the grid....

sorry one last thing to add...

in order to assure world domination you need a catchy codename for the cocoa rebuild... like the mozilla builds have "sea monkey" or "deer park" or whatever.

grid pro cocoa is just awkward and ungainly....

and is it going to be grid pro 2.0 or what? (should be)....

but until then, let's have a catchy code name....

Video Architect Joined: 10 Jul 2004 Posts: 1093

Video Architect Joined: 10 Jul 2004 Posts: 1093

Video Architect Joined: 10 Jul 2004 Posts: 1093

hey blueguerilla and rick robin-

blue, i know you've got a rev B 2ghz imac G5 with 2g ram and a radeon 9600 w. 128mb ram...rick, do you have the same kind of computer?

what are the resolutions of your output screens? and where are they positioned relative to your main display (to the left, above, below, etc.)?

if one of you wouldn't mind firing up the "console" application (/Applications/Utilities/Console), and taking a peek at "console.log" (click the "Logs" button in the console's title bar; console.log should be at the top of the list of logs), something may be happening there when it tries (and fails) to go fullscreen.

do either of you remember if you were playing back movies or QC docs when you went fullscreen?

peace
: : ray